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vote for a tax cut. liz: for lower brackets. >> but reality this is -- this is kind of side show tactics, whether people want to -- revenues have to go up, hav we e to cut spending and maybe stimulus but they have to happen, and there is no getting around it they can hide behind whatever gimmick they want but we have to do all of the above. liz: what is the market reaction to that move, if they say we're going with as if call clifs -- s a bill that says raising taxes on upper bracket. >> if they did that it would be well telegraphed, i don't think they would do it in a subtle way. the market react that shows fiscal responsibility is a positive. liz: markets are not reacting. >> markets are benign about this the biggest danger for markets is a policy is make and chaos. >> do you think what we've seen -- we've seen an economy distorted by bubbles, like the economy has been on platform shoes, and i feel like, we have -- market -- some analyst some people, have been drained of all common sense, like they are
vote for a tax cut. liz: for lower brackets. >> but reality this is -- this is kind of side show tactics, whether people want to -- revenues have to go up, hav we e to cut spending and maybe stimulus but they have to happen, and there is no getting around it they can hide behind whatever gimmick they want but we have to do all of the above. liz: what is the market reaction to that move, if they say we're going with as if call clifs -- s a bill that says raising taxes on upper bracket....
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he said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes, federal income tax, payroll tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses says that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. and so what i do, i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea by bowles-simpson, get the rate down to create more jobs. nothing better to create a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes, that's the most effective and efficient way to get the budget balanced. >> jim, you may want to move on to another topic. i would say this to the american people. if you believe we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion of additional spending to the military that is not asking for, $7 trillion, to give you a sense, over ten years, that's more than our entire defense budget, and you think that by closing loop
he said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes, federal income tax, payroll tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses says that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. and so what i do, i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the...
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then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much as mitt romney wants to there is no way or he would have put forth the pro growth plan. he's ring on magic like harry potter will be his treasury secretary. >> he's not going to be able to cut taxes for rich people. he doesn't want to. the idea of pro growth taxes -- >> didn't he say 20% across the board? >> he did, but he also said if you take up the deductions, rich people won't get a big tax break. that's the truth. if you go through the principles and think about it, how do you design a pro growth tax policy? you have to take down the race and get rid of deductions. the numbers can add up.
then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much...
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tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is lower than the national average, which already is coming down -- >> in a place where the president's plan to save the auto industry actually protected many jobs. >> so in the face of all the evidence around them, and you can argue about economic statistics as much as you like, but people know their own economy and their own lives. he's trying to put against that by saying there are joshs in the ground we will dig up presumagely by pulling away from environmental regulations. he's talking really about fracking. that's his
tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is...
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but the tax issue was probably a fluke. let's try his answer on regulation. >> regulation is essential. you can't have a free market work without regulation. >> it's essential. so essential that he's actually said this. >> this president has enacted job killing regulations. i'll eliminate them. >> regulation is so essential that it must be eliminated. but don't worry, he was playing it straight on coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> actually, it's a lengthy description but, number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. >> it's a lengthy description. but the bottom line is pre-existing conditions are covered, right? >> people with pre-existing conditions, as long as they have been insured before, they are going to be able to have insurance. >> what if they were never insured. >> if they are 45 years old and show up i want insurance because i have a heart disease, we can't play the game like that. >> the governor is right about one thing, you can't play the game like that. you can't change who you are wh
but the tax issue was probably a fluke. let's try his answer on regulation. >> regulation is essential. you can't have a free market work without regulation. >> it's essential. so essential that he's actually said this. >> this president has enacted job killing regulations. i'll eliminate them. >> regulation is so essential that it must be eliminated. but don't worry, he was playing it straight on coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> actually, it's a lengthy...
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a candidate says i'm going to lower the tax rates but i'm going to broaden the tax base. what you get is lower rates, you get a lot of the former, you get very little of the latter. because like bob says, once you start going into how you're going to broaden the base, then it's don't look at me, look at the other guy. so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy
a candidate says i'm going to lower the tax rates but i'm going to broaden the tax base. what you get is lower rates, you get a lot of the former, you get very little of the latter. because like bob says, once you start going into how you're going to broaden the base, then it's don't look at me, look at the other guy. so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to...
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this is a tax and itself -- the economy tax. gasoline prices have doubled under the president, electric rates are up, food prices are up, health care costs have gone up by $2,500 per family. the question is how to get them going again. it is energy and trade. the right kind of trading programs. -- training programs. the present mission of those ideas. education. it is key. it is the future of our economy. we have 47 training company -- programs. they are reporting to eight agencies. we have to get those dollars back to the states and go to the workers so they can create their pathways into training they need for jobs that will help them. taxation. we should bring the tax rates down. for corporations and individuals. for us not to lose revenue, i lowered deductions and credits and intentions so we keep taking in the same money when you account for growth. energy is critical. the president pointed out that production of oil and gas in the u.s. is up but not due to his policies. in spite of his policies. all of the increase in natu
this is a tax and itself -- the economy tax. gasoline prices have doubled under the president, electric rates are up, food prices are up, health care costs have gone up by $2,500 per family. the question is how to get them going again. it is energy and trade. the right kind of trading programs. -- training programs. the present mission of those ideas. education. it is key. it is the future of our economy. we have 47 training company -- programs. they are reporting to eight agencies. we have to...
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federal tax, state tax, state income tax gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. that will cost jobs. my priority is jobs so what i do is bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions. create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to an balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes, that's by far the more efficient way to get this balanced. >> obama: jim, i would just say this to the american people if you believe we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for -- $7 trillion just to give you a sense over ten year's that's more than our entire defense budget and you think that by closing loop holes and deductions for the well to do somehow you will not end up picking up the tab, then governor romney's plan may work for you, but i think math common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. we have tried this -- we have tried bo
federal tax, state tax, state income tax gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. that will cost jobs. my priority is jobs so what i do is bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions. create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to an balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes, that's by far the more efficient way...
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vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealth y huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >> san francisco is considering allowing apartments around the same size as the when you see here, 150 square feet. cities like new yorker allowing the michael apartments that are of a parkinge space. >> imagine that tiny package a stand-alone house? greta kreuz introduces us to one 150 square foot home. >> you are in the great room. this is the living room. >> welcome to her tiny house. the main floor with the seating area, kitchen and bathroom. upstairs in the loft, an air mattress. thes a rebellion against mcmansions. >> not every kid needs his own play room. it is going back where you had with people. she built it for her master's .hesis is part of the online public university system. great to be able to see has done and how applied her degree program. >> the tiny, movement has grown and it is green. it
vo: why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealth y huge new tax breaks? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >> san francisco is considering allowing apartments around the same size as the when you see here, 150 square feet. cities like new yorker allowing the michael apartments that are of a parkinge space. >>...
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>> you get rid of obama care and 3.8% tax on investment income and get the tax on medical device makers, larry. >> i will bet you $20 right now. i'll make a romney $10,000 bet that obama care is not repealed. >> i'll bet you it will be repealed, but i'll buy a gift for your new daughter. >> thank you. >> if romney wins, which was not expected a week ago but is now more expected, if he wins what is the stock market impact? is it greater than earnings and the federal reserve? how do you assess a romney victory? >> what becomes important is the effect on capital gains and dividend taxes. we as investors view asset investments on an after-tax basis. they make those particular investments more attractive, and we saw this with respect to to t cool stocks. >> the average small business has 2.5 employees, the average is over 5. small businesses get a boom in that. >> i don't disagree with what you're saying but i focus on the tax policy. >> they'll go sky high if romney loses and skier higher because of obama care. >> that said, just to repeat, i disagree. >> all detriments to growth. >> detrim
>> you get rid of obama care and 3.8% tax on investment income and get the tax on medical device makers, larry. >> i will bet you $20 right now. i'll make a romney $10,000 bet that obama care is not repealed. >> i'll bet you it will be repealed, but i'll buy a gift for your new daughter. >> thank you. >> if romney wins, which was not expected a week ago but is now more expected, if he wins what is the stock market impact? is it greater than earnings and the federal...
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what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a math problem. they can't pay for it. if they can't pay for it, then they are going to raise taxes on the middle class. that's what the economic studies have shown. and look, i don't know anybody who thinks we're another tax cut for a millionaire away from a stronger middle class. that's just not how we have built our economy before and it's not how we're going to continue to make our country on the debate moderator to do itill ?e present be >> ihink the debate morato think the president will push back pticularly on some of thes
what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a...
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in fact, when you do those sorts of tax cuts there are costs to those tax cuts. the big etan drivegest driver r deficit -- >> chris: if i may, sir. you are talking about half of the planet it would be like talking about obama's jobs plans and saying the entire are plan is to give more money to teachers. it is not obama's plan. similarly you are mischaracterizing the romney plan. saying you're right there is $5 trillion lowering the tax rates but he talks about cutting loopholes. but that is part of the plan. >> but he won't say, chris, which loopholes and which deductions. senator, i doubt seriously you would be if favor of doing away or cutting the home mortgage deduction for middle class americans. governor romney has not said what the plan is for paying for the $5 trillion in tax cuts just like he won't talk about what his tax returns have been or -- >> with all due reis spect, governor, first of all, governor romney made is clear in the debate and he was actually able to speak directly to the american people that he is not going to lower the burdening on up y
in fact, when you do those sorts of tax cuts there are costs to those tax cuts. the big etan drivegest driver r deficit -- >> chris: if i may, sir. you are talking about half of the planet it would be like talking about obama's jobs plans and saying the entire are plan is to give more money to teachers. it is not obama's plan. similarly you are mischaracterizing the romney plan. saying you're right there is $5 trillion lowering the tax rates but he talks about cutting loopholes. but that...
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>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney going to that extent as matt as said and saying -- >> and doing something sensible for the government and the country. we wouldn't do that. >> but i also couldn't put anything past him at this point. >> joy reid and matt miller, thank you both. next, the president on the road again, as mitt romney campaigns right now with an aircraft carrier in the background. so who has the upper hand today? stay with us. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm
>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney...
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cut. >> the obama camp says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years, true? >> not in the least bit true. >> stephen: true, not true, who cares? (laughter) it's over ten years. romney and ryan will only be in office for eight of those. let president bachmann worry about it in 2020. that is what hindsight is for. but folks, just listen to this pit bull. >> how much would it cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm talking about the cut, we'll get to the deductions. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rate by 20%. >> how much does that cost. >> it's revenue neutral. >> stephen: okay, revenue neutral, chris. but for some reason wallace wouldn't take no answer for an answer. (laughter) jim? >> well, it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deduction. >> let me just -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have-- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> stephen: great answer. (laughter) why-- (cheers and applause) great answer why is it a great answer? well, it would take m
cut. >> the obama camp says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years, true? >> not in the least bit true. >> stephen: true, not true, who cares? (laughter) it's over ten years. romney and ryan will only be in office for eight of those. let president bachmann worry about it in 2020. that is what hindsight is for. but folks, just listen to this pit bull. >> how much would it cost. >> it's revenue...
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and taxes. just after romney spent time giving the details on awful those being critical of very specific pro visions of don frank. and this is the president was not in denver. i thought he spent too much time shooting bass cats rather than prepping for this thing. we saw it. he offered up routine rogue talking point thing that's people were sitting there saying do you know what? this doesn't jive with what i've just seen happen with these two men on the stage. >> and rnc chair predicting the president would make excuses because he can't defined his record. he joins us from denver, good evening mr. chairman. tell me have you spoken to governor romney since the debate? >> i. i can tell you he was smiling and happy with how things went tonight. tonight was a historical night. and this is a sense that that is shocking. the performance but there is a problem for governor and drk-excuse me, the president, mitt romney was ready, and prepared. and he was ten yaishis and respectful. the president meande
and taxes. just after romney spent time giving the details on awful those being critical of very specific pro visions of don frank. and this is the president was not in denver. i thought he spent too much time shooting bass cats rather than prepping for this thing. we saw it. he offered up routine rogue talking point thing that's people were sitting there saying do you know what? this doesn't jive with what i've just seen happen with these two men on the stage. >> and rnc chair predicting...
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tax rate, they're taxed at a lower rate. the businesses in the last 3% of businesses happen to employ half -- half of all people that work in small business. they employ one-quarter of all workers in america, and you want to take their tax rate from 35% to 40%. i talked to a guy with a very small business, he's in the electronics business in st. louis. he has four employees. he said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes, federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses says that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. and so what i do, i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea by behind bowles-simpson, by the way, get the rates down, lower exemptions and create jobs. there's nothing better to get us to a balanced budget t
tax rate, they're taxed at a lower rate. the businesses in the last 3% of businesses happen to employ half -- half of all people that work in small business. they employ one-quarter of all workers in america, and you want to take their tax rate from 35% to 40%. i talked to a guy with a very small business, he's in the electronics business in st. louis. he has four employees. he said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes, federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state sales tax,...
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my tax plan. number 2, i will not reduce the share of high-paid income individuals. i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it is just not the case. vifive boys. i am used to people saying something that is not always true and keep repeating it and hoping i will believe it. but that is not the case. all right? i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. number 3, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. i will lower taxes on middle-income families. you cite a study. six other studies look at the study you describe and say it's wrong. i saw a study that said today you are going to raise taxes $3- to $4,000 on middle-income families. throw the studies out there. the bottom line is, i want to bring the rates down, at the same time, lower deductions and exemptions and credits and so forth so we keep getting the revenue we need. you thinks, why lower the rates? and the reason is because small business pays that individualerate. 54% of
my tax plan. number 2, i will not reduce the share of high-paid income individuals. i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it is just not the case. vifive boys. i am used to people saying something that is not always true and keep repeating it and hoping i will believe it. but that is not the case. all right? i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. number 3, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. i will lower taxes on...
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asked if woe release more taxes. there needs to be some kind of tax question tonight because the reality is that a lot of folks don't earn very much money in places here like denver are paying a higher percentage of their income than romney. romney believes there should be lower rates for investments but hasn't explained why it is fair that he pays a lower rate. >> quick on your list of questions, many have been asked to the candidates at some point or certainly, prepared to answer. will you be stunned if the questions on the stimulus on the case of the president or taxes, to romney, go unanswered without the candidate being specific? >> well, i won't be surprised at all but the nice thing about a debate is that i think the moderator, jim lehrer, is going to take a step back and allow the clash between the candidates. i think if romney gives a nonanswer to that question we just talked about obama will say, no, answer that question and that will generate an exciting back and forth and make for a great debate. sfeefrnl
asked if woe release more taxes. there needs to be some kind of tax question tonight because the reality is that a lot of folks don't earn very much money in places here like denver are paying a higher percentage of their income than romney. romney believes there should be lower rates for investments but hasn't explained why it is fair that he pays a lower rate. >> quick on your list of questions, many have been asked to the candidates at some point or certainly, prepared to answer. will...
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the economy is languishing worse where looking for more tax hikes and four years ago it was zero tax hikes? we have all been hit now we know how the middle-class and people will be affected. obamacare has at least seven pin tax hikes and 30 more on top of that. charles: we discover a couple more every month. [laughter] but i know this bothers you. the vice president throws numbers out there that the rich are getting over $1 trillion from view. that never seems out of left field but resonates better they got tired of talking about millionaires and billionaires. >> i am spectacular the perplexed by joseph biden. at least the is consistent. this is simply incorrect if the administration believes by raising taxes we can get ourselves into solvency, he is simply incorrect. mitt romney talking about the tax issues how to back out of this situation was awesome. >> i don't know if they believe this helps economically with us verses them redressing the wrongs for those who benefited the most until four years ago. >> we have seen this obama's touting the buffer role with the minimum tax for mi
the economy is languishing worse where looking for more tax hikes and four years ago it was zero tax hikes? we have all been hit now we know how the middle-class and people will be affected. obamacare has at least seven pin tax hikes and 30 more on top of that. charles: we discover a couple more every month. [laughter] but i know this bothers you. the vice president throws numbers out there that the rich are getting over $1 trillion from view. that never seems out of left field but resonates...
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he said he calculates how much they pay in taxes. state income tax, state sales tax, gasoline tax. it added up to well over 50% of what they earn. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower the deductions and exemptions. the same idea behind simpson, by the way. lower the deductions and exemptions to create more jobs, because there is nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes. that's by far the most effective way to get this budget balanced. >> you may want to move on to another topic, but i would say this to the american people. if you believe that we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for, $7 trillion, just to give you a sense, that's more than our entire defense budget, and you think that by closing loopholes an
he said he calculates how much they pay in taxes. state income tax, state sales tax, gasoline tax. it added up to well over 50% of what they earn. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower the deductions and exemptions. the same idea behind simpson, by the way. lower the...